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Prepared in Notepad by Ian Smith, updated 23rd October 2020.
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The BUS-STOP is an outsider's view of London Transport buses, mainly in the 1930-1980 era.

Whats at the bus stop:

What's New Special Reports Archive RTL1427 at Aldwych for the RT60 road-run to Cobham.
LONDON BUS CLASSES:
1920-30s: K LB D S PS O ADC NS LS
1920-30s: R AJS CH DE DM LN WLV NY
1930-40s: LT CC ST LTL T CB DL DT DA GF DC MY
1930-40s: TD TR STL STD BD MS C Q LTC TF CR
1940-50s: B G D TD
1950-70s: RT RTL RTW RTC SRT RF RFW BEA GS RLH
1950-90s: RM RMC RCL RML RMF RMA FRM RX RW RC EC
1960-70s: TT XF XA MB SM SMW SMA RP DMS DMO FS FT
1970-90s: AF AN MS LN LNB SNC SNB LS GSN GLS
1970-90s: BL BN BS BL MD PD3 LS LR BT P,D RN
1980s: RB RS DV DL PL TL TD TP TPL LRC BTL
1980-00s: T M A V Dominators L LR C DA LE1
1980-00s: Volvo Citibuses Scanias Lynxes midibuses Volvo B10s
1990-00s: Leyland Olympians Volvo Olympians DAF d/d DAF s/d
1990-00s: Lances Arrows Darts Falcons Volvo B6 MV
1990-10s: Dart SLFs Optare Excels Scania SLFs MAN
2000-10s: Lance SLFs Cadets Tridents Presidents Omnis
Links to other L.T. sites The sources used About the bus-stop
CBR GREEN ROVERS Garages RTL1427 at Aldwych for the RT60 road-run to Cobham.

What's New:

23rd October 2020 Yet another hundred RTL histories have been upgraded: RTL1500-1599. Still a few holes. Doing these maintains my level of insanity fairly high, suitable for these Covid times. I do escape for local walks: the trees are magnificent at the moment.

14th October 2020 There is an announcement on the Green Rover page.

3rd October 2020 Another hundred RTL histories have been upgraded: RTL1400-1499. Still a bit of polishing to do, and find out which body RTL1406 took in March 1960.

I hope you are keeping well. Doing the bus site keeps me off the streets! Unfortunately COVID-19 means I cannot travel to my more distant walks, in Scotland, Liverpool and the Rhine Valley. Perhaps next year!

17th September 2020 The rest of LT's Guy Arab IIs - and as a bonus an extra pair of pages about the Grays Guys.

14th August 2020 Still confined!

But I have used the time to do some railway modelling (4-SUBS, if you are interested, LSWR type), and I have been revisiting the histories of the G-type Guys. Not finished yet, but there a lot of them, so here's the first couple of hungred - the short Arab Is and the over-length ArabIIs up to G218. More to follow, when my head stops spinning.

STAY WELL, STAY SAFE, LOOK FORWARD to 2021 or 2022!

24th July 2020 I have taken a look at the other Bristols - those taken over before the war, those loaned during the war, and the post-war one-year loans by the BTC and the Grays loans. Much help from the Bristol buses pages, and LBM articles by Malcolm Papes. I haven't got round to preparing new sketches of the single-deckers yet.

10th July 2020 Whilst working on 1948 I realised that some of my histories of the minor types, postwar Bs, Ds and Gs, were sadly lacking. So I have had a look at the Bristol B class. The London Transport B class has been given a facelift, and I am working on the couple of hundred short term loans. I never realised just how many of these there were. They did not much impinge on Bromley, and I was too young to notice anyway! So they will follow on when I have done a bit more work on them.

Just for a little variety, I digressed briefly to look at a couple of singleton second-hand Cadets.

30th June 2020 I aimed to update the 1948 histories by the end of June, and have managed it. 1948 was a year of staggering change for the new London Transport Passenger Board. The new RTs were coming, with a handful of RTLs at the end of the year. Meanwhile the early 1930s generation of double-deckers was struggling with rot and a dramatic upsurge in the passenger figures. STs, STLs and LTs were kept at work - or not - with many going to outside contractors for rebuilds of their wooden body structures. Others received prohibition notices from the roving Ministry inspectors, and went for scrap. Some were stored for a while at Bull Yard (Peckham), Ferry Lane (Walthamstow) and Potters Bar Garage until there was room at Chiswick for them to be scrapped. Chiswick Works itself was getting back into the swing of maintenance, with an enormous backlog that meant that some buses received just a chassis overhaul, while others had cursory bodywork strengthening and repaints before returning to work for a few more days, weeks or months. Information has gone onto all the relevant history pages, and some the texts have been updated too.

Remember that in 1948 Britain was climbing out of the destruction wrought by the war. People were still grieving. People were adjusting to new family relationships, with people they had not been close to for years. Money was tight. National debt was huge. But there was a feeling that the nation was going to win, the nation was going to rebuild. There would be a levelling up as ordinary working-class folk, having seen how the upper classes led them during the war, realised that they could do better. And they did!

1948 was also a significant year for me!

KEEP SAFE, KEEP WELL, STAY at HOME if you can. STAY CHEERFUL!

19th June 2020 Some hope for the future. It is hoped that Hertford/Stevenage Running Day may happen next year. But don't hold your breath (and wear a face-mask! and gloves).

Also, in lieu of major running days, Colin Rivers hopes to establish a club for a few people at a time to go out in a classic bus or two, rather in the style of CBR's Route Recreation Days, but not linked to a major Running Day. These will not be public invitations, but by invitation from Colin (colin.rivers@bt.com), and club members will be expected to contribute towards costs. Information will be published on the new "GREEN ROVERS" page.

In the meantime, be patient, perhaps buy your own bus or help in the maintenance of them!

1st May 2020

STAY WELL. STAY AT HOME. STAY CHEERFUL.

More updated RTL histories, this time RTL1300-RTL1399. Many of these went to Ceylon and South Africa, and a few to Sarajevo in Yugoslavia. Relatively few went to English scrapyards. Very few survived to preservation.

20th April 2020 More updated RM histories, this time RM1300-RM1399.

23rd March 2020 Having acquired London Buses Volume One: the Independent Era", I have been able to improve the Leyland LB pages drastically, and do a set of pages on the Dennis 4-ton double-deckers. It has been a lot of work, but enjoyable. London buses were not to be this colourful again until tendering began, and Nicholas Ridley spilled the paint pots.

I shall be incarcerated by Covid-19 for some time, so shall not be visiting London anytime soon, so don't expect to meet me! If you want something to do while stuck in front of the computer you could try compiling some histories of the enviro- and hybrid generations of London's buses, which I doubt I shall have time to get round to anytime soon. I still have the RTLs, STLs and RMs to complete! (Not to mention the MCW Metrobus histories - groan). But I do look forward to light relief with the City Six and Guy Six!

13th February 2020

Having enjoyed researching the K class, I looked at the contemporary buses used by the Independent London bus companies during the 1920s, in particular the Leyland LB types and the Dennis 4-tonner. Information is sparse! I do not have a copy of "London Buses" by Lunn & Blacker I believe, and Kew is a long way away! (Aah, I have located one for sale on the internet! It has its uses) But I have cobbled together someting on the various LB types. The Dennis pages are in progress, but this takes a LOT of time. More modern types, such as the RTLs and RMs, whose histories are incomplete but on which a plethora of data is available for those with the patience to find it, will have to wait a little. Not long... (unless I start Bean-counting).

7th January 2020 And now for something completely different. For my Christmas holiday project I have delved into the mysteries of the General's K-class, helped no end by George Robbins' book "General buses of the Twenties", and Ken Glaziers' book "Battles of the General". Not many records from pre-Chiswick days, but its a start. Mistakes, as usual are probably mine.

Important News: from the end of April 2016 Virgin Media have ceased to support my web-space. So this page, the bibliography and the Country Bus Rallies front pages have moved across to countrybus.org, ie front page, bibliography, and Country Bus Rallies.

I know this will not be welcome new to those of you who have difficulty accessing www.countrybus.org, but I don't have much choice: eighteen years of loyal customer and Virgin just dumps me.

It will take me some time to change every page that I have written, so that the back-link to the index page points to the right place, so I ask your patience. (My Google links will also take some time to catch up with the move, I expect. Similarly the links to the bibliography page will take time to change.)

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About Ian's Bus Stop: Dreadful warnings!

Ian does not pretend to be an expert: any corrections, additional information, flattery or news gratefully welcomed. Rivet-counters can make their own web-sites!

Most BUS-STOP pages contain:

  • drawings or photos (when I can get them) of a class of London bus;
  • a potted class history;
  • some history of individual buses;
  • a list of photographic sources, and
  • a bibliography.
The histories are not complete. They are assembled from data from a variety of sources, that do not always agree with each other. In some cases I have much more data than I have displayed, and just need time to fill in the gaps. They are are offered as a help to your own researches, not as a complete entity.

I do not attempt to keep the histories up-to-date. If you want the latest information, there are plenty of special interest groups on the net. For comprehensive monthly updates, subscribe to LOTS to get "The London Bus".

The plan drawings by Ian Smith are NOT scale drawings from originals, but based on a few known dimensions and (usually) a variety of photographs. In places inferences have been drawn where the photographic evidence is poor.
In particular adverts shown on buses may have incorrect colouring where I have guessed wrongly from black & white pictures, or may be inappropriate to the livery worn by the bus.
They may be of use to modellers if printed at an appropriate scale. You'll have to experiment to find the right printer settings.

Pages are designed for use on the Firefox browser, on 800*600 resolution. Other resolutions may give odd results. If a display ratio is not 4:3 the photos and drawings may be distorted. Using other browsers may also give odd results at times, especially if they do not follow the rules, like Microsoft's Explorer, which does its own thing. I am trying to amend pages so that they show properly on 4:3 ratio pages other than 800*600, but this may take some time, and you may need a good pair of reading glasses.

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